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| Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1 | |
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Chronix Ultra-Smash +
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| | | | ZerOcarina Smash d'Améthyste
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| | | | Crocadok Smash de Lapis-Lazulli
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Mer 11 Déc 2013, 14:25 | |
| Sauf que Roy avait la même base de gameplay que Marth, alors que Ike a un gameplay totalement différent. Et Ike reste un personnage très populaire aussi, pas sur que son éviction plaira. (en tout cas moi je trouverais ça dommage, d'autant plus que j'aime pas trop Chrom alors bon. ) |
| | | Fansmash Privé de smash
Age : 33
| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : annonces, rumeurs, discussions (topic unique)Mer 11 Déc 2013, 14:35 | |
| Chrom ou Ike ?
Pour moi, ils ont leur place tous les deux comme Marth.
Il faut noter que comme Marth, Ike apparaît dans 2 Fire Emblems en étant le personnage principal (sauf le 2ème où il est plutôt le 2ème héros principale après Micaiah). Comme tu l'as signalé, Crocadok, Ike possède un gameplay bien différent de Marth avec quelques similitudes.
Pour Chrom, il est le héros du dernier opus et a de grandes chances de figurer dans le casting. On pourrait rajouter Lucina (2ème héroïne principale) et Micaiah (héroïne du Radiant Dawn) mais cela reste à voir.
L'éviction d'Ike pour laisser place à Chrom serait vu pour certains comme une grosse perte, en partant du principe que l'équipe de Fire Emblem reste à 2 membres.
Après Sakurai, en vue du succès de la licence et aux 2 seuls jeux (à ma connaissance) apparus sur la console de salon, pourrait décider que l'équipe ait un 3ème membre permettant ainsi l'arrivée de Chrom tout en gardant Ike.
Perso, j'aimerai beaucoup que l'équipe Fire Emblem passe à 3 voire 4 membres, en plus, je regretterai beaucoup Ike ou que Chrom ne soit pas confirmé. |
| | | RyXyu Smash d'Adamantium
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| | | | Obi44Z Smash de l'Aube
Age : 32 Perso. préféré : Link, Ike, Zelda
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| | | | Fansmash Privé de smash
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : annonces, rumeurs, discussions (topic unique)Mer 11 Déc 2013, 15:31 | |
| Je n'ai jamais dit que Lucina n'avait pas sa place, d'ailleurs je serai content de la voir ou bien Micaiah (j'ai un faible pour l'agente féminine).
Marth, je disais simplement qu'ils ont aussi autant d'importance que Marth mais ce dernier restera toujours le personnage central de la série. |
| | | Obi44Z Smash de l'Aube
Age : 32 Perso. préféré : Link, Ike, Zelda
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| | | | RyXyu Smash d'Adamantium
Age : 27
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| | | | Ajimi Smash de Cristal
Age : 33
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Mer 11 Déc 2013, 17:03 | |
| - Fansmash a écrit:
- Les 12 vétérans du 1er opus sont les pilliers de la série = impossible à retirer.
Les 8 vétérans revenus du Mélée sont devenus les pilliers du 2ème opus = idem.
Pour le Brawl, on va dire que Meta Knight, Pit, Olimar, Roi Dadidou, Diddy Kong, Wario, Link Cartoon, Sonic voire le Dresseur, Lucas, Ike et ROB sont eux les meilleurs pilliers pour le 3ème opus. Les 8 premiers = impossible à retirer et pour les autres = faut voir. Lucario, Wolf et Snake sont sur le bord du retrait. À deux-trois détails près je suis d'accord, on avait fait un raisonnement similaire avec Vilain je sais plus où (ici peut-être). Pour Fire Emblem j'ai pas de préférence étant donné que j'ai que très peu joué à la série, mais : - avoir trois personnages FE est assez probable, - Ike a l'air plus populaire et important que Chrom, - je suis pas sûr mais je pense que Chrom sera davantage un clone de Marth alors que Ike a un gameplay original, - FE c'est un peu plus vaste que trois épéistes aux cheveux bleus, un magicien serait vraiment plus intéressant. |
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Mer 11 Déc 2013, 21:45 | |
| je suis un peu contre de remplacer Ike par Chrom parce que Chrom c'est un descendant de Marth, et que meme si il a un move'set différent , il risque d'avoir la meme force et vitesse et résistance que Marth.
et ça ferait un peu clone de la série Zelda Link=ToonLink MasterSword=MasterSword avec un peu de différence
sauve que là ça serait le contraire Marth~Chrom meme poids etc. |
| | | Obi44Z Smash de l'Aube
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| | | | Dejan Smash de Cobalt
Age : 31
Carrière de Smasheur Équipe: À vous de me convaincre n_n-b
| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Mer 11 Déc 2013, 23:00 | |
| Ou sinon Tharja En ce qui concerne Chrom. Disons qu'il se présente comme un héritier de la famille royale du coup bah... Normal qu'il aie un gameplay similaire à Marth au final. Et oui c'est de famille le talent à l'épée o/. Sinon je serais d'avis d'intégrer Robin (aka Daraen chez nous) qui pourrait présenter un bon compromis entre mage et chevalier. D'ailleurs cette fiche le présente très bien ^^ http://www.ssb4.com/t2828-daraen-robin-my-unit-la-fameuse-stratege |
| | | Vilain Admin
Age : 31 Perso. préféré : Rondoudou, Ridley, Wario
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| | | | Ajimi Smash de Cristal
Age : 33
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Dim 15 Déc 2013, 17:57 | |
| Bon je vais me faire troller parce que d'habitude c'est moi qui peste contre les rumeurs, mais tant pis. Source : GameFAQs via Smashboards, le topic initial ayant visiblement été supprimé (ici). - Spoiler:
Hello. I am a member of the Sora team interested in sharing with the Smash Fans some of the info about the new Smash games. I have been on GameFaqs since 2004, and I would like to protect my reputation as a result of that. All questions asking me about my other account will be ignored.
-The roster size is not finalized, but without time constraints, the game would have a total of 47 characters in it. -Mewtwo and Roy are both returning. Mewtwo in particular has a revamped moveset using both of his mega evolutions, neither of which are used in his final smash -As you can tell with the wanted total of characters being 47, there are 6 newcomers. -The other three newcomers are: Bowser Jr., King K. Rool and Palutena. As they are still in development, it is unknown when they will be revealed. -Due to the reception of the cuts from Melee, no cuts are planned to happen. This is also the reason for the lack of newcomers. Cuts may happen if time constraints become an issue, but the game is far enough into development where the situation is unlikely. -Anticipated release date is Q2 2014. -Kid Icarus receives a console stage based on the Underworld from the NES game. A hazard here is a Reaper that will come around from time to time and will summon reapettes. -Stages from all past Smash Bros. games will be appearing on the Wii U. Smash 64 stages are: Peach's Castle, Planet Zebes and Sector Z. Melee stages are: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, PokeFloats, Kongo Jungle and Fourside. Brawl will have 7 returning stages, which are: Castle Seige, Skyworld, Distant Planet, WarioWare.Inc, The Summit, Mario Bros. and Flat Zone 2. -Some of the new assist trophies are: Eggplant Wizard (turns an enemy into an eggplant and they can't attack while in this form. Wears off after 10 seconds), Micaiah (heals the summoner) and Bubbles (shoots out vibrations that cause the broken shield confusion state) -Not all of the old assist trophies return. Such examples are Little Mac, Waluigi and Jill. -There is a stage based on Guar Plains from Xenoblade
Now I will explain some info on the three new characters.
Bowser Jr. is a small target with medium weight (a little less than Mario). He uses his paintbrush in battle. His stage entry is appearing from an M in the floor. His down special move is creating paint from his brush. It is a charging move. The longer you charge it, the more goop you make. Standing on the goop has an effect akin to Lip's Stick (a returning item), and slows down your movement. His final Smash is the Koopa Clown Car, where he goes into his Clown Car (complete with the boxing fists). Pressing A releases a fist. Pressing B releases a bomb. The rest of his moveset is currently being worked on.
King K Rool, as expected, is of large height and weight. He is still lighter than Bowser though. His moveset is currently also in the works, but Sakurai is wanting to use abilities from all four of his bossfights (DKC1, DKC2, DKC3 and DK64).
Palutena, a tall and suprisingly heavy female character, also has a moveset in the works. Her moveset is expecting to involve the use of summonable centurions, as well as light projectiles. There has been no work made on her final smash, but there has been discussion about integrating the Chaos Kin.
I am open to sharing more info with you should anything be requested. As this account is considered a new user, I cannot frequently provide content. However, I will answer all questions asked as I am able to (if I have enough daily posts. I will tell you if I do not know the answer to your question).
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I'm not in any position where I know what the pic of the day is. Sakurai is the one who decides it without consulting anyone, so I find out when the rest of the world finds out.
We spend time on our weekends discussing what will be in the daily pics just like you guys. We've been wanting to see Yoshi confirmed for weeks now, as he looks really cool. I guess Sakurai is holding out on him to wait for Yoshi's New Island.
We're also almost done the Ice Climbers. 3DS problems were annoying with Nana's AI, but we are very close to getting it perfect. When they are done, all of the Melee veterans, sans Mewtwo and Roy, will be finalized. I don't know what character he plans on working on next. I'm personally hoping for Wario, and that he'll include more moves from Wario Land, like the shoulder charge, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
As for questioning Roy, we do have scouts on the internet that do look at what fans want, and Roy is requested a lot, which is why Sakurai wants to bring him back. We've already got permission from Intelligent Systems to use him, and will be using his Awakening design.
Also forgot to mention that Shulk is an AT. We haven't decided on what effects he will do, as we're still working on the model.
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@KingOfAwesome69:
Why are the newcomers still being worked on when, in the past, the roster has been the first thing finalized about the game and newcomers were completed before now?
The roster has been finalized in terms of "These are the only characters who are being considered for Smash 4". We're hoping to get all of the characters done soon. Beyond the three newcomers and Roy, all we have left to work on are Wario and Wolf, so we're farther along than I might have made it seem.
I wasn't on the development team for Brawl, so I'm afraid I can't provide much context. But from what I heard from my colleagues, the Brawl roster was done so quickly to work on the Adventure mode. But they still hadn't finished Wolf, Jigglypuff or Toon Link at the time, and obviously Sonic wasn't included.
Sakurai has been prioritizing veterans over newcomers, as he doesn't want any fans to be disappointed with any cuts. He only worked on Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer to show off some of the new cast at E3, but they weren't done until all of the first twelve characters were done. Does this make sense and answer your question? If not, ask where you'd like specifications.
What decision process went into choosing those three newcomers, plus Mewtwo/Roy? Mewtwo and Roy were chosen due to an overwhelming amount of support here in Japan for their return, plus they are really popular in other areas of the world as well. He wanted to bring back Doctor Mario, but once we pitched ideas to him about how to develop Bowser Jr. (I work in concept by the way. We're the guys who make the ideas and pitch them to Sakurai), he didn't want to over saturate the Mario characters. We haven't discussed the prospect of DLC characters yet, but if we did, I'd imagine Doctor Mario, and Pichu, would be one, as they each have their fans who want them back in Smash, though they are smaller than Mewtwo and Roy.
As for the other three newcomers, we did bring a lot of ideas to Sakurai, such as Ridley, Little Mac, Takamaru, Chrom (which was surprisingly turned down quickly), Andy, Shulk, Lip, Black Shadow and Starfy. He liked the idea of Bowser Jr. as the painting was something really unique that made him stick out. It wasn't much of a popularity decision, but the kid does have a respectable fanbase in Japan, Europe and the Americas.
King K. Rool was chosen mostly due to popularity reasons. His name was among the most common in all of the places we visited, according to the scouts. He also felt that K. Rool was s sharp contrast to the other characters, and can be partially explained as the reason Bowser was changed.
Palutena was chosen because she's another popular character. I think a lot of the time, people think that we don't listen to our fans, but we really do. Her inclusion also helps bring Sakurai's revival of Kid Icarus to a close. He did want to include her in Brawl, but was unsure of what direction to take with her. Uprising fleshed her out and she was among the first choices Sakurai made (alongside Villager).
Why is there no retro character when Sakurai mentioned wanting to bring one back in an interview? I honestly have no idea. We did bring up several ideas, such as Bubbles, Mach Rider, Little Mac, Takamaru and Balloon Fighter. We even brought up DK Junior! We've learned not to question Sakurai, as the long work days and his arm are making him growingly irritable. He really likes his older characters, so I'm as surprised as you are about not including one. Maybe he is including one without consulting us on it, which wouldn't be the first time. Or maybe he wants to make a new Ice Climber game.
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Apologies for making you wait so long. Apparently new posters can post a maximum 3 posts per hour. I thought it was just the 10 per 24 hours rule.
Working with Sakurai wasn't the opportunity I was hoping it would be, as he really seemed like such a nice guy from all the interviews. But I'm leaving Sora after this game is done and heading back home to the US and most likely go back to school, which is why I'm okay with being "relieved of my duties" pre-release.
As for why other characters were not chosen:
- Chrom was shot down due to looking too much like Marth. This also went for Lucina as well. His explanation was that characters in a fighting game like Smash Bros. need to stand out from the others, as getting confused who your character is can wreck the match for you.
- We initially planned to include Little Mac, but changed our minds when coming up with concept ideas for him, as he was very one dimensional.
- I don't mean to feed the "too big" crowd by saying this, but Ridley did have programming problems. He is a very time consuming character due to all of his parts (wings, tail, head and claws), and we felt that by choosing not to go ahead with Ridley, we could spend more time working on other characters. We didn't want to copy Charizard's animations as Sakurai has really high standards for this game.
- When Sakurai chooses his "retro" characters (Pit and Ice Climbers), as we found out, he only wants to choose characters who are international. Despite his appearance in Samurai Warriors 3, and a cameo in Nintendo Land, Sakurai felt he was still locked to Japan and denied him.
I didn't say spring release. Q2 implies April to June. And it's looking moreso like it'll be June.
All of the characters will be done by the end of February. We'll be finalizing everything in March, and then getting ready to release it.
Vrai ou pas, telle est la question… Mais ce qu'il raconte est au moins plausible ; et j'aurais plus tendance à accorder de la crédibilité à ce genre de fuites argumentées, qu'à de pauvres images photoshopées ou simples phrases balancées sans aucune explication et où l'initiateur disparaît de la circulation juste après son post. On verra bien. |
| | | Vilain Admin
Age : 31 Perso. préféré : Rondoudou, Ridley, Wario
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| | | | Fansmash Privé de smash
Age : 33
| | | | Obi44Z Smash de l'Aube
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| | | | Fansmash Privé de smash
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| | | | Vilain Admin
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : discussions, annonces, rumeurs - épisode 1Dim 15 Déc 2013, 18:09 | |
| Je n'ai pas encore tout lu (décidément...) mais je tiens à réagir rapidement par rapport à un truc.
"Aucun cut" (comprendre "aucun personnage qui part"), avec au final seulement 6 newcomers, je trouve que ce serait très dommage (ça me rappelle un certain débat qu'on a eu sur ROB très récemment). Que ça soit un fake ou pas, ça me conforte dans l'idée que "peu de newcomers et aucun cut" est un choix qui ne me plairait pas. J'espère qu'on aura plus que 6 newcomers.
Et puis, ça veut dire que Snake reste ? Ca me paraît assez peu crédible, franchement. |
| | | Link69 Smash Terrible
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| Sujet: Re: Le casting officiel : annonces, rumeurs, discussions (topic unique)Dim 15 Déc 2013, 18:20 | |
| Bon après avoir lu (survolé surtout)...
Il me semble que ceux qui espèrent voir Little Mac jouable commenceraient à désespérer. Dommage car pourquoi pas.
Bowser Junior, Palutena et King K Rool seraient les newcomers prochainement annoncés ? Palutena = OUI !, Bowser Junior = pourquoi pas mais pour l'équipe Yoshi car celle de Mario devrait rester à 4 à moins que... et King K Rool = yes !
Aucun persos coupés ? Cool mais alors peu de newcomers ! Donc Snake, Lucario et Wolf reviennent aussi ! J'ai du mal à y croire là.
Mewtwo et Roy reviendraient... Mewtwo = c'est normal mais Roy = si ça empêche l'arrivée de Chrom, Lucina ou Micaiah = alors là non.
Pas de Krystal, Dixie Kong ou Waddle Dee mentionnés ? Pour Krystal, je serai déçu alors si elle n'intégre pas le jeu une fois de plus.
Franchement, pour Palutena = je suis heureux si elle arrive, le reste à l'air d'être vrai mais je prendrai ces infos avec des pincettes car je doute fort qu'on ait que six newcomers, 2 revenants et tout le gratin du Brawl qui reviendrait alors que certains devraient gicler comme Snake, Wolf et Lucario.
On verra bien si cela s'avère être vrai. |
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